Steve Emerson Discusses the Stealth Jihad on SFR

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Frank Gaffney: Welcome back, we’re talking with a man who has been at the forefront of the fight for freedom against specifically, the global jihad movement, back before most of us even knew there was such as thing. He is Steve Emerson, the Executive Director of an absolutely indispensable organization, The Investigative Project on Terrorism. He has authored six books, count them six books, on various aspects of the terrorist threat including, “Jihad Incorporated: A Guide to Militant Islam in the U.S.”. Steve welcome back it is great to have you with us as always, and thank you for the terrific work you’ve done over so many years on this issue and many many others.

Steve Emerson: Good to be with you Frank.

FG: I thought we’d maybe start not with jihad in America just yet, but jihad in Europe, and the fact the French seem to be having a very difficult time acknowledging that they very narrowly averted massacre on one of their high speed trains on Friday, was in fact an act of individual jihad. What do you make of that?

SE: Well it follows some of their statements in the last two years after similar attacks in Marseille and even the in the attack in Charlie Hebdo, when the French Foreign Minister said, “this had nothing to do with Islam, this is just murderous cult”. So I think this is emblematic Frank, of a much larger sickness among Western leaders. Going from the President of the United States, who is probably president of this society, that refuses to recognize the direct connection between Islam and radical Islam, and the fact that ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, and all the iterations of these movements, from Hamas, to Islamic Jihad, to Hezbollah. All of them have a line running through them, and that line is called jihad, radical Islam, it’s united by Sharia, and the fact that they don’t want to recognize it, only guarantees Frank, that these attacks will continue to attack with regularity, and with increased lethality.

FG: I am afraid you are right. Steve, to the extent that we are witnessing in part, in addition, the continuing proselytization of this sort of Islamist supremacism. Not just in places like Europe, but in our own country. You mentioned the Muslim Brotherhood notably, which as you know, owns a lot of mosques in our country, and Islamic cultural centers and so on. Talk a little about the fact that where these attacks have been taking place, notably in Boston, in Texas, and elsewhere, we have seen tied to the individuals who perpetrated, mosques again in every case I think tied to the Brotherhood.

SE: On our website which is www.investatgiveproject.org, one word, we actually have an interactive map, that shows the mosques throughout the United States since 2001, that have had conspiracies, plots, attempted plots tied to them that have been involved with radical attempted terrorist attacks, and they include more than 200 of them. Now I should say this, since that time I don’t think we should limit ourselves to the geographical and the proximity of mosques or Islamic centers to attacks. This is metastasized all over. I mean you have attacks taking place far away from mosques today because of the proximity of online, the proximity of theses little built madrasa, the fact that you have ICNA, Islamic Center of North America, which is a Jamaat-e-Islami organization, which has hundreds of outreach centers and hundreds of jail centers around the United States. They’ve recruited and converted in the last ten years more than 170,000 white converts to Islam. That doesn’t include black converts to Islam, we are talking about a mass movement of radicalization, and by the way when I say convert we are not talking about just simple pious convert. They end up becoming radicals, like the guy in Oklahoma City, who two years ago beheaded a worker because she wouldn’t convert to Islam. Who the FBI ceremoniously refused to even recognize, or acknowledge, to be an Islamic act of terror. So the fact is this goes on all the time and there’s no more geographical boundaries Frank any longer. It goes on in Canada, it goes on in South America, it goes on throughout Europe.

FG: They are spreading for sure. Steve you found yourself in the midst of a controversy about a year ago as I recall, for having pointed out the perfectly obvious, namely that there are areas of Europe these days that are No Go Zones, because of the dominance of this Islamic supremacism in them. I’m just looking at a report that was issued recently by the Gatestone Institute written by Soren Kern, the title “Police Warn of No Go Zones in Germany”. They talk specifically about areas of lawlessness due to this rising tide of jihadism. Given what we know about what’s happening in Europe in that regard, and not least in terms of suppressing of freedom of speech, witness you know the French inability to talk about this act of jihad as that. Should we be concerned that similar kinds problems are headed our way as well?

SE: Absolutely, I mean look there are two issues here. One is the No Go Zone, which is these physical corridors, geographic corridors, which are controlled by Muslim clerics, or leaders, or mobsters, which refuse to allow anyone who isn’t Muslim or a member of their political belief system to enter; which means that police don’t enter, government agents don’t enter, non-Muslims don’t enter. The geographical entities that are not totally set in place line by line you know longitude by latitude, but the fact is they are prevalent throughout Europe. Not just Germany, they are in England, they are in France, they are in Italy, they are in Sweden, they are in Denmark, and the fact is when you say I was embroiled in a controversy, yes I was because I did make a mistake on Fox, when I said a certain city in England was a No Go Zone. I was wrong. What was true was that 80 percent of the suburbs of that city were No Go Zones, and that was proven by the mayors of a collective of that city that wrote me a letter, and said ‘Steve you were right’. Number two; the fact is the European elites refuse to acknowledge this. As if in fact it won’t even appear on maps, it won’t appear on maps, but it’s the truth. The fact is whites will not go, non-Europeans you better just include, non you know whites it includes anyone who isn’t a Muslim. It is proliferating throughout, and in the United States I can guarantee you this is a phenomenon that will definitely appear, and it is appearing in Europe, not because of what the liberals say which is ghettoization, imposition of discrimination that forces Muslims into these ghetto blocks. It is because of deliberate attempts to impose alienation upon Muslims throughout Europe so they don’t recognize the sovereignty of their own countries. They impose their own laws and they refuse to allow foreigners to come in. It is as if they recognize the sovereignty of the Umma, the world Islamic empire, and do not recognize the sovereignty of their own country.

FG: This is part of the hijra as you know Steve, sort of colonization via immigration and it’s unfortunately happening here as well. Very quickly, there is another controversy you have engaged in namely over freedom of speech. A book by David Schipler, by that name, among others has assailed you and me for having asserted the importance of resisting efforts by the Muslim Brotherhood. What do you make of this controversy Steve, and how should we respond?

SE: Well first of all David Schipler is a conspiratorialist we haven’t seen in a long time. Except he worked for the New York Times, which it actually qualify him to be a conspiratorilist because that’s what they engage in, and of course his book believe it or not was banned by the New York Times book review, but of course the Washington Post which par excellence is engaged in more mendacity, intellectual mendacity, than any other newspaper in the world, published a review by David Cole, a Professor at Georgetown, who basically said that the Muslim Brotherhood Memorandum of 1991, called The Civilizational Jihad, which was found in the home of Ismali al-Bashir by U.S. Federal Prosecutors and found to be the center of the greatest money laundering Hamas case in U.S. history, the HLF case, and confirmed multiple times to be authentic and to be operational at the time. He claimed that this was a figment of your imagination and my imagination, and he should have known as a lawyer, but maybe that should have disqualified him, that on the U.S. dockets it was presented as a confirmed document that led to the conviction of the eight defendants in that trial.

FG: And upheld by four different federal judges in the course of litigating it. Steve, we are out of time, this is such an important topic I hope you will come back to us again very soon. In the meantime thank you for what you have done and what you are doing at your remarkable organization, The Investigative Project on Terrorism, keep it up. Also folks, check out The Grand Deception, a marvelous film that Steve has created, that talks a lot about what is going on here and why it is such a malevolent thing, Steve we will talk with you again soon.