Glenn Beck Threatens to Leave NRA if Grover Norquist Re-Elected

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GLENN BECK:

All right, we want to bring on Frank Gaffney. He is founder and president of the Center for Security Policy. Because yesterday, he was on TV with me. We were talking a little about what’s coming and Islam and the war that is being waged now with ISIS. But I also, off the air, talked to him about something. There is a re-election campaign going on right now in the NRA for Grover Norquist. And Grover Norquist is, I believe, one of the more dangerous men in America. And they’ve done a really great job of making anybody who thinks Grover Norquist is a dangerous man look like a conspiracy theorist. But he is a dangerous man. And Frank Gaffney is with us now. Frank, how are you, sir?

FRANK GAFFNEY:

I’m terrific. Thank you so much for yesterday and a chance to repeat some of the points we talked about and – talked about off-air – today with you.

GLENN BECK:

Okay, so let’s talk a little bit about Grover Norquist. Cause most people just don’t know who he is. The left made a big deal out of him and I remember –

FRANK GAFFNEY:

For tax purposes.

GLENN BECK:

Yeah, eight years ago, I remember thinking, oh come on, Grover Norquist, who even knows who he is? But he actually is a very dangerous man and a big player behind the scenes.

FRANK GAFFNEY:

I wouldn’t have believed this myself if I hadn’t had the, well, providential experience, I guess, kind of actually being co-located, our Center for Security Policy with his organization, Americans For Tax Reform for seven biblically long years. And in the course of that time, about a month after we moved in to this shared sublet arrangement, a colleague of mine came to me and said, you know, there’s a Muslim Brotherhood front group on the other side of that xerox room which we happen to share? And so yes, this anti-tax activist and man who’s prominent in certain conservative circles, particularly for his role in trying to keep taxes low and pledge to, you know, not raise taxes and so on, has had a sideline. And he started, I discovered, back in 1998 when he began taking money and staff and otherwise associating with a top Muslim Brotherhood operative at the time by the name of Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi. Al-Amoudi subsequently was imprisoned for twenty-three years in connection with terrorism charges and was also identified by the federal government as an al-Qaeda financier. This is a man who put Grover Norquist in the business of running an Islamist influence operation called the Islamic Free Market Institute and I believe, and what’s so worrying to me about the possibility that he might be re-elected to the board, not that he was on it in the first place, but re-elected to the board of the National Rifle Association, it would, I think these influence operations on behalf of enemies of this country are continuing. We’ve done a dossier on this which people can check out at securefreedom.org. It’s called Agent of Influence: Grover Norquist and the Assault on the Right.

GLENN BECK:

Wow, tell us how the – how he is an agent of influence and what you’re concerned about with the NRA. I will tell you that I am so concerned about this, Frank, and I am not an expert on Grover Norquist by any stretch of the imagination, but I’ve heard enough that makes me concerned enough that – and I hope the leadership of the NRA hears this and every member of the NRA hears this, that if this man is elected or re-elected and confirmed on the board of the NRA, I may drop my membership in the NRA. I mean, I just – I am that concerned that he is a very bad influence and a very bad man that if this is who the NRA decides to put on their board of directors, I don’t think I can be associated with them.

FRANK GAFFNEY:

Well, I have a feeling a lot of National Rifle Association members would feel the same way, Glen. And I am an admirer of that organization, by the way, so I don’t want to see –

GLENN BECK:

[OVERLAP] I am too.

FRANK GAFFNEY:

– come to it. But on the other hand –

GLENN BECK:

[OVERLAP] They do a lot of good in – right.

FRANK GAFFNEY:

Harm comes to it if you have people who have something other than its best interests at heart serving on the board of directors and there are lots of different examples and I’ll just give you a couple that particularly worry me. One is, Grover Norquist has been promoting, he makes no bones about it, so-called leaders of Muslim American communities, a number of whom, not just Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi, but Sami al-Arian, for example, have also been convicted on terrorism charges. Others are known Muslim Brotherhood operatives. He helped engineer their influence on George W. Bush at a critical time, within hours of 9-11, by the way, and subsequently, that I believe contributed materially to the problem we talked about on the show yesterday, a lack of clarity about the nature of the enemy. We’re being subjected, thanks in part to Grover Norquist and his Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist friends, to an influence operation in information dominance that has kept us largely witless about the nature of –

GLENN BECK:

[OVERLAP] Explain – explain –

FRANK GAFFNEY:

– to defeat them.

GLENN BECK:

Explain an influence operation.

FRANK GAFFNEY:

Well, an influence operation is one of the oldest pieces of tradecraft in espionage and, you know, sort of state operations against the enemies. You see what you can do to get inside their heads. To get inside their government, to get inside their civil society institutions and undermine them from within. This is, by the way, the explicit mission of the Muslim Brotherhood. We know this from a secret memorandum, a plan that they actually put together back in 1991. It was introduced into evidence down in Richardson, Texas in 2008 by the federal government. It said their mission in America, the Muslim Brotherhood’s, is to destroy Western Civilization from within by their hands, meaning ours, the infidels, and the hands of the believers so that God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. And then it proceeds to lay out how the Brothers are working to undermine what would be the church, the media, academia, our financial sector, our government and so on. And what I really am concerned about is the extent to which Grover Norquist has been an enabler of this. Particularly against the conservative movement. And against the Republican Party. It’s a very serious problem.

GLENN BECK:

Okay, so Frank, help me out on this. Because that’s a really serious charge you’re making that, I mean, he’s an agent of influence. Is he knowingly an agent of influence? What is his role in this? And why?

FRANK GAFFNEY:

Unquestionably, he is a knowing agent of influence. I’ve called him out on it over the better part of, oh, I don’t know, fifteen years now. So it’s not –

GLENN BECK:

But you – hang on just a second. I want to make this clear. You say he knows he is working with the Muslim Brotherhood as an agent of influence against the purposes of the United States of America and the Western world?

FRANK GAFFNEY:

Yeah, no, of course, he denies it. In fact, we have a new edition of this dossier coming out this week that has two extraordinary emails that he sent, one to the board of the National Rifle Association and accusing me of all kinds of improper activities and another to former attorney general of the United States, Michael Mukasey, who by the way, lent his name to this dossier which was sent to the leadership at the time of the American Conservative Union about a year ago. And what these documents – and, you know, don’t take my word for it. This is an eighty-seven fact, fifty-five footnote document. All of which, with the exception of one item that I happen personally and uniquely to see myself on 9-11, but all the rest of it is drawn from official sources, corporate filings, testimony in trials, reports from the Wall Street Journal and the New Republic and on and on and what you cannot help but take away from a clear objective reading of this dossier, Glen, is Grover Norquist has, in fact, been serving as an agent of influence since 1998 for Muslim Brotherhood operatives and organizations and, oh, by the way, for the Iranian government as well, running interference for them in a manner that is deeply, I believe, injurious to our interests. So these are – these are documented facts. He does deny them. He will accuse me of being a racist and bigot and Islamophobe and so on, but it doesn’t alter the facts and the board of the National Rifle Association and I believe the membership of the National Rifle Association needs to know what these facts are and if they do, I can’t imagine that they’d want that guy anywhere in the organization.

GLENN BECK:

Frank, this is so hard for I think a lot of people, Republicans especially, to get their head around because they can’t understand why. He’s not Muslim, right? Where does this come from? Why would he do this?

FRANK GAFFNEY:

I’m always asked that question and I always demur because I don’t know. I – and frankly, I don’t care. I’m not interested in his motivations, I’m interested in his conduct. And his conduct, by the way, at the office. Not his personal life or anything else in his life, though he constantly injects that as well. This is about what he has done. I’ve documented it as have others. And, you know, the motivations maybe interesting, but they truly are secondary. Anyone, again, I think anyone willing objectively to assess this situation is going to say, you know, this isn’t good for America. Unfortunately, it’s not the only example. I mean, if we had time, we could talk about a couple of others. Huma Abedin, one of the people who’s featuring in this Hillary Clinton scandal, by the way, with her emails. One of the other people who had a private email account on that Clinton server. One of the other people who was a top State Department official and using those private emails evidently in violation of policy and perhaps the law. Was also very closely tied, personally and through her family four generations, to the Muslim Brotherhood. That’s kind of a problem. Then there’s Andre Carson, a member of congress from Indiana that Nancy Pelosi just put on the House Intelligence Committee. Who also has as a dossier available at securefreedom.org, just pointing it out, extensive ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. And then president Obama in his recent countering violent extremism summit talks about this wonderful mosque in Boston which is his outreach partner for countering violent extremism up there, called the Islamic Society of Boston. It was founded by this same guy who put Grover Norquist in the Muslim Brotherhood way, Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi. It’s got twelve different jihadists that we know of that came out of it or have been associated with it, including by the way, the two Tsarnaev boys. So this is not unique to Grover. We have a huge problem with the Muslim Brotherhood and its influence operations in America. It’s just that this is particularly concerning because this guy is inside the wire of the conservative movement, of the Republican Party, of the National Rifle Association and I believe it must be brought to an end.

GLENN BECK:

Okay, you can find this information at the centerforsecuritypolicy.org. Is that the right address?

FRANK GAFFNEY:

Yeah, it’s easier to remember securefreedom.org. But they’ll both get you there.

GLENN BECK:

Okay, securefreedom.org. And find this and if you’re an NRA member, Grover Norquist is running for re-election on the board and I find this so serious and I find him such a dangerous man that I may reject my membership of the NRA if he’s re-elected. I just don’t think I can stand with the organization and I love this organization. I think they do an awful lot of good and I think they are really good people. And I’ve helped raise millions of dollars for them. But Grover Norquist is a very, very bad and dangerous man in my opinion. And you need to do your own homework on him. Don’t take my word for it. Don’t take Frank’s word – don’t take Grover’s word for it. Do your own homework. Frank, thanks so much, we’ll talk to you –