Twenty-five years after September 11, 2001, Dr. David Wurmser — the Navy reservist who walked into the still-burning Pentagon as one half of a two-man intelligence unit tasked with finding out who had just attacked the United States — sits down with Morgan Wirthlin to explain what Washington got wrong that day and has kept getting wrong since: the two assumptions about terrorism that collapsed on contact with the evidence, the networks that were never taken apart, and why the ideas behind the attacks still shape the Middle East today.

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